Is Abortion Murder ?

What to say about this whole issue of Population Management? Friends, it seems to me, I’m past conceiving, myself, but okay... what I can say is, we females especially, should pray instead, that those who propose and those who oppose come to a real consensus. Afterall, it’s one thing to moralize, but another thing to actually risk one’s health and sanity caring for young lives and keeping them from hunger, illiteracy, deterioration, to hope to bring a real smile on their lips and joy in their hearts.

I hope that position is as neutral as I'd like to retain. I have a question for you, too: Who are the soulless and heartless among us to dare propose to abort? HIS wrath is real enough, can we afford to do that, mothers?


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midnightingethsemane
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midnightingethsemane wrote on Jul 23
I for one do not believe in abortion.
carolbalmaceda
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carolbalmaceda wrote on Jul 23, edited on Jul 23
how can we even begin to think of aborting what we know as heavensent, a blessing? indeed!
midnightingethsemane
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midnightingethsemane wrote on Jul 23
I do not understand why people do this.
Children are a blessing from God.
When one aborts are they not taking God's blessing away?
To me they are.
carolbalmaceda
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carolbalmaceda wrote on Jul 23
that's precisely why in this part of the world, we take real care now, and hope to educate the masses to not let the male and female fertilities embrace just like that. the stakes are simply too great to ignore. it's real poverty with one foot on the grave.
styricpriestess
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styricpriestess wrote on Jul 23, edited on Jul 23
i dont know what my stand is regarding this matter. this is similar to the undying nurture vs. nature debate.
i know it is a sin to commit murder but what about those women who are victims of rape and incest? or cases wherein abortion is an option to save the life of the mother and those with fetal deffects?

it is injustice to end a life when it has not even started yet and there is no remedy in that. however, there are many things to consider.
midnightingethsemane
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midnightingethsemane wrote on Jul 23
styricpriestess said
but what about those women who are victims of rape and incest?
They can give the child up for adoption.
carolbalmaceda
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carolbalmaceda wrote on Jul 24
styricpriestess said
i dont know what my stand is regarding this matter. this is similar to the undying nurture vs. nature debate.
i know it is a sin to commit murder but what about those women who are victims of rape and incest? or cases wherein abortion is an option to save the life of the mother and those with fetal deffects?

it is injustice to end a life when it has not even started yet and there is no remedy in that. however, there are many things to consider.
ditto as midnight's. there's no debate if in the first place there's no fetus to consider... the government, as we know, has always been supportive of the nurture/adoption process once the baby’s there, and doesnt favor abortion. currently, however, what we're into is the preventive mode which everyone can adopt in their lives - we're determining how to get accountable when making it with the opposite sex, to make intelligent choices to avoid untoward consequences such as having to abort as you've stated.

as the current proposal goes, we dont anymore have to resort to abortion, it’s illegal anyway, and who wants it? it’s anyone’s great burden, and part of the reason why our country's suffering so much, dont you think so? personally, i believe married couples need only to be open to the full lecturings of the DOH, and not be guilty about it.let's find out for ourselves, in-depth. that's giving justice to human rights too. thanks for giving it a thought, this is serious matter indeed.
angel2bright
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angel2bright wrote on Jul 24, edited on Jul 24
midnightingethsemane said
They can give the child up for adoption.
I concur ... actually there was this child I know who has been conceived outside of wedlock, and his mother resolved to herself to give the child his rightful place in the world, despite the persuasions of her friends to abort the unborn baby becuz of the shame and humiliation she'd face.

And now I know for sure that the child is forever grateful that his mom did the right choice.

How should I know?

I am that child and
I am NOT ashamed of what my mom has gone through for me.

Blessings and Cheers, ladies!
Rai
carolbalmaceda
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carolbalmaceda wrote on Jul 25
not too many mothers would resolve to herself just as your Mom did, but thank heavens she exercised her right to make an intelligent choice. that's responsible parenthood, part of the current proposed Bill.

re this Bill, Filipinos still would like to contribute actively (at least those who are not wishy-washy among us) in stemming the tide of desperation that this government could ill afford to solve - mostly stemming from the kind of population we have. is that not so? resources are being drained to rockbottom, kulang pa nga. feed the hungry among us, give them little helps in their forlorn lives, and you'll hear strong criticisms. don't do anything just do the thinking and lip-servicing, and you'll still hear criticisms left and right. damn if you do, and damn if you dont! saan pa lulugar, di ba?

until such time that we can be sure we can feed the babes, clothe them, shelter them, give them education, let them play and laze around.safely, offer them opportunities to be productive grown-ups, then it is more prudent to do all we can to go proactive in the area of prevention. preventive conception, that is. we only have to have full access to full information and not partial. we all know that little knowledge is dangerous.

actually it's very easy and safe to align oneself with those who oppose the Bill, but with the onslaught of pornographic materials, prohibited drugs, practically unforbidden cyberspace and TV, many go walking around with “greenminds”, even with likeminded barkadas in tow, day in and day out, hearts go eager to be satisfied with sex... sex... sex..... oral, anal, whichever way... can we ever revert people to the old ways of their being? not at all easy to stop actual sex acts and wait for “safe” periods. is that not so, Juan? Juana?
angel2bright
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angel2bright wrote on Jul 25, edited on Jul 25
We appreciate your insightful words and viewpoints ate. Ganun na talaga sitwasyon ng mundo natin ngayon, partikular na sa bansa natin. Well we can't please everybody, gaya nga ng sinabi mo na:

"feed the hungry among us, give them little helps in their forlorn lives, and you'll hear strong criticisms. don't do anything just do the thinking and lip-servicing, and you'll still hear criticisms left and right. damn if you do, and damn if you dont! saan pa lulugar, di ba?"

Ang sa kin ehh, basta nagawa na natin ang obligasyon at responsibilidad natin sa pamilya't--bayan ehh, off the cuff na tayo dun. Dahil we would hear more complaints or "reklamo's" from the masses if we don't do our part. So di na natin kasalanan yun---cus we're not here to "save the world" all by ourselves di ba? There's only one man who can do that ehehe ... anyways ...

regarding naman dun sa mga illicit materials and literatures inciting the spread of immorality, like I've said, nasa tao din yun. Kasi, di naman talaga yan ang main cause ng immoralidad sa gitna natin ... yes it can "arouse" one's sexual interest pero it cannot dominate a man UNLESS one allows it too.

Man's real enemy is himself di ba? Nasa sa tao na yan. Kasi kung yan ang main cause, eh baket ang daming pastor at seminaristang nahuhulog sa immoralidad? Wag nating sabihing pornographic materials aren't outlawed in the seminaries ? hehehe

Let's face it nandyan na yan, matagal na.

Kasama na rin dyan eh mabanggit ko na din yung mga hip-hop at heavy-metal na pinapatugtog sa jeepney's s/puv's na me malalaswang mensahe, di naman natin pwedeng sabihin sa driver na: "hoy mama, pwede ba pakipatay yan ang laswa, laswa ng mensahe."

Pag ganun eh chances are tayo pa pababain at sabihing maghanap na lang ng ibang masasakyan. ha ha ...

So I mean, since we can't do anything about completely "uprooting the cause of immorality" sa gitna natin, I think it would be better for us to be a living example and to educate men of taking responsibility for their actions, cus if they don't, then there is no one to suffer the consequences but themselves and with it, maraming maaapektuhan, sama na tayo dun.

Of course, despite all these things our world won't entirely change overnight, cus judging from the present condition, things are getting from bad to worse.

We're not here to change the world. We're here to do our part and thus make a difference.

And our future is determined with the individual choices we now make.

Cheers ate!
Rai


carolbalmaceda
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carolbalmaceda wrote on Jul 26
Friends, i find,
emit my sunshine
in rainy days,
in many ways.
thanks to you,
my friends so true.
-cbb

And what grand privilege it is that we can all read the Bible direct, and there, find guidance and filling food for the soul, 24/7.

Really, just as long as our government is not one to shirk from the many problems that we’re having, we’re in good hands. If anything, our leaders have only become undaunted, focused only on meeting our problems head-on... and for that, i for one, am grateful. I think perhaps the least we can do is offer our prayers and good wishes, and the load will lighten some more… “God bless” :)
angel2bright
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angel2bright wrote on Jul 26
amen po
carolbalmaceda
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carolbalmaceda wrote today at 8:34 PM
Let us stop pushing the husbands, heads of the families to those cramped and lonely prison-cages, IF WE CAN. We may be living on the edge, but let us preserve the dignity of existing life.