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Mistah FAB Reveals Beef With Bay Area Radio Station
September 5th, 2008 | Author: Danielle Harling
As of recently, the feud between Oakland rapper Mistah FAB and the programming and music director's at 106 KMEL, a Bay Area radio station, has reached new heights. According to Mistah FAB, 106 KMEL is no longer playing any song by or featuring him.
"I don't want to make it a corporation situation, it's an individual problem with the programming director and the mix-show director. To be specific, Stacy Cunningham and Big Von," Mistah FAB told HipHopDX. "They have their individual views towards me and they use me as an example. They're like, 'This is what we'll do to you if you ever take a stand, we'll never play your music'. So I'm passed the point of thinking will I ever get played. They don't ever have to play me again and I'm pretty sure they won't."
On several blogs and websites, 106 KMEL has been linked to what many are calling the 'Death of Hyphy' due to the stations lack of Bay area artist's in its rotation.
"Anytime you have a song like the song 'Life Of The Party' with me, Snoop Dogg, and Too Short which made it to number three on '106 & Park' and you do the Arbitron and you do the play lists. It's not a corporation thing, it's why did Big Von never play this record. And you're like, 'Okay, Mistah Fab's on it, there it is'. It's definitely some kind of personal vendetta there and it's been going on for a long time," Mistah FAB revealed. "It's been going on for 2, 3 years. It's been boiling. [Big] Von's never liked me. We're just gonna be real. Like this guy's a failed rapper. Failed rapper turned DJ."
Mistah FAB recently struck back at Cunningham and Big Von with his freestyle over the beat to the classic Boogie Down Productions song "The Bridge Is Over" [click to hear].
In his freestyle, Mistah FAB immediately begins taking shots at Big Von, "You don't gotta play my record Von and you don't gotta play my sh**, but to me you a b**ch."
"That was just me going in the studio talking the truth. Everything that's said in that song is true facts. We have documents that state the comments made by Stacy Cunningham, comments made by Big Von," Mistah FAB explained to HipHopDX. "Like I say, I'm passed the thought of will I ever get played on that radio station. I want to be the voice for the hidden frustration, the hidden struggle of any artists that want to say what I'm saying, but they're not in the position to be relevant if they do say it."
Currently, Mistah FAB is working on a new album entitled The Bus Ride which is expected to be released spring of next year and Mistah FAB will be releasing his new single "Still Gone Eat" featuring Rick Ross and Glasses Malone in the coming weeks.
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Posted By: YV | Saturday, September 6, 2008
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wow 'A- (the difference)' is an idiot.
You're acting like what you speak are facts when its OBVIOUS that it's just your opinion.
You're right for one part, Big Von doesn't like FAB's music. But it's not because Fab's music 'sucks', it's simply because Von is a bitch when it comes to him and Fab... he'll never spin any of Fab's tracks no matter how good the track is. "Life of The Party" was a hot single by Snoop and reached good rankings on '106&Park', but Von didn't want to play the song just because of the fact that Fab was on the hook. That's what you call 'bitchassness' right there man.
Big Von has bad blood with Fab, and that type of controversy is what's killing this Bay Area scene. It's not Fab's fault that he got mad at Von for not playing his tracks. Von's the one who can't even support the Bay's artists; and it's not just Fab, all the other artists out here aren't getting radio play either.
All Von plays is that mainstream crap. When people go to visit the Bay from Atl, NY, Chi, etc. they feel right at home because Von keeps playing music from other areas. It's not like how it was in 2006 where outsiders would come to the Bay Area and get a crazy vibe on the radio than what they're used to.
Posted By: E.S.O. Boy | Friday, September 5, 2008
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Lmao off Andre 4000 ignorant ass. Nigga Yellow Bus Radio was on Wild 94.9, not KMEL. Thats rival stations bruh. Why u think Von was hating on Fab in the first place...
Posted By: atamediumpace | Friday, September 5, 2008
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WTF happened to Bailey? he had a hot album, and a couple mixtapes, but is now nowhere to be found.
Posted By: anyaisabel | Friday, September 5, 2008
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Correction: Not Vons lyrics..Vons ratings
Posted By: AnyaIsabel @Andre 4000 & tower | Friday, September 5, 2008
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Andre4000:
What part of the bay are YOU from? Yellow Bus Radio was on 94.9 , not 106.1 oppisite of Von's show. Although Von did not like him before then thats when his music STOPPED getting played. YBR was killing Von's lyrics and a bitch ass nigga that he is he did everything in his power to stop that. e-40 is prob. the only person who gets played on a regular basis, I can not even remember the last time federation has had a song on KMEL. Von and KMEL even went as far as to EDIT his parts out of remixes on songs...Now tell me isn't that a little much? But PLEASE stand behind Von 150% actually because he needs it...Hes been doing alot of F'd up things to ALOT of artists from the bay but Fab decided to say something about it.
Tower: Thank YOU! I agree with you.. but there are people out there trying to put other people on but its hard when bitchmade niggas can't stand to see someone do better than them..
Posted By: Tower | Friday, September 5, 2008
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The bay is home to me... but the whole bay is full of crabs. They all don't let no one come up. Radio, Event Promoters, B-Boys, graff artists, etc. The list goes on and on.
The bay is home to a lot of original talent, it's too bad everyone around the bay holds it back. Look how long it took 40 to get some of the juice he deserves in terms of being original/having a style. Shouldn't short be near the status of snoop?
Posted By: antdeshawn1 | Friday, September 5, 2008
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yeah i heard this a while ago being that i live n the city(hp stand up) whatever beef von got wit FAB they need to squash i wanna hear FAB on the radio..they dont really play hella local shit but like somebody said thats everywhere
Posted By: JayP | Friday, September 5, 2008
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBMg1SvSpqs
Posted By: ANDRE4000 | Friday, September 5, 2008
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I am from the bay and stay hyphy with it all day...But c'mon FAB. You acting like a F-A-G...I know VON personally...as well as other niggas from the Bay...VON, Hoodrat Miguel...they got mad love for the bay. How this nigga gonna say KMEL isnt behind him??? FAB had his own show called YELLOWBUS on KMEL! Fucking idiot...Fuckin KMEL had a summer jam and had the whole Federation and his ass on stage. Nigga, if you made slammin music...your shit will get played. They got mad love for the bay...E40 gets played...Federation is played all the time. He lost some stripes for this one...I stand behind my nigga VON 110%.
Thats official from ANDRE4000 doing 100 in a 25.
Posted By: NxCALIxHITMAN | Friday, September 5, 2008
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New Bay vs Old Bay.The old Bay by far had the better music.All that new Hyphy music is alright,but that old RBL,IMP,Cold World,Mac Dre,3Times....hands down better than that Hyphy.The only New Bay cat doing his thing is Big Rich.FAB,sorry bro....not a fan.
Posted By: E.S.O. Boy | Friday, September 5, 2008
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My God u people on hear are such clowns. Fab hasn't made a hyphy song in two fucking years. Stop pigeon holding the whole Bay, along with FAB as just a one dimensional. FAB was spitting fire b4 hyphy, and he doin it after.
And too the dumbass who compared hyphy music too Soulja Boy and that hoe ass bubble gum snap music, u got us way too fucked up. Hyphy is from the streets. The music is feel good music, and a break from all the gun talk that everybody else is on. The movement aint never gon die, unlike crunk and snap. If u think I'm playing, come fuck around out here and You'll see how Fasssst niggas get hyphy on that ass.
Posted By: wee bae | Friday, September 5, 2008
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FUCK THE RADIO!
these radio DJs are drunk with power..... rappers like Mistah FAB can flood the internet with his shit(which to me is way more effective than going thru radio).... although radio does have it's advantages............... it's definitely not game over because one radio station in the bay area refuses to play fab's music.
Posted By: atamediumpace | Friday, September 5, 2008
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Fuck the radio. Radio didn't make hip hop what it is, the listeners did. Cox, Clear Channel, Cumulus, and CBS, are in collusion to control what the masses hear. You don't have to believe me, just read Behold a Pale Horse. The bottom line is radio is only interested in force feeding a certain type of message into the minds of their listeners. That's why I encourge this whole generation to support the artists they like, and to forget about the radio altogether until the FCC decentralizes it.
^^^ - I somewhat agree with this comment.i never listen to radio anymore, since like, 2000. I only listen to artists i like and discover new acts by word of mouth or going to shows. Radio, however, will not get better. Now that is controlled by ClearChannel, CBS, COX, etc... music programming will be more fickle in the future and less music will be played. take a look at the morning radio now! No one plays music anymore, I don't wanna hear some idiots rambling about BS, I wanna hear music. ClearChannel, Cox, CBS and the others also want to tax internet radio three times as much as FM because no one is listening to radio anymore.
www.savenetradio.org
Posted By: THE 'son | Friday, September 5, 2008
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Who (got bodied) ? Cry some more Fabby. You get no respect outside of The Bay as it is.
Happy Bar Exam 2 bitches!
Mistah FAB Reveals Beef With Bay Area Radio Station
September 5th, 2008 | Author: Danielle Harling
As of recently, the feud between Oakland rapper Mistah FAB and the programming and music director's at 106 KMEL, a Bay Area radio station, has reached new heights. According to Mistah FAB, 106 KMEL is no longer playing any song by or featuring him.
"I don't want to make it a corporation situation, it's an individual problem with the programming director and the mix-show director. To be specific, Stacy Cunningham and Big Von," Mistah FAB told HipHopDX. "They have their individual views towards me and they use me as an example. They're like, 'This is what we'll do to you if you ever take a stand, we'll never play your music'. So I'm passed the point of thinking will I ever get played. They don't ever have to play me again and I'm pretty sure they won't."
On several blogs and websites, 106 KMEL has been linked to what many are calling the 'Death of Hyphy' due to the stations lack of Bay area artist's in its rotation.
"Anytime you have a song like the song 'Life Of The Party' with me, Snoop Dogg, and Too Short which made it to number three on '106 & Park' and you do the Arbitron and you do the play lists. It's not a corporation thing, it's why did Big Von never play this record. And you're like, 'Okay, Mistah Fab's on it, there it is'. It's definitely some kind of personal vendetta there and it's been going on for a long time," Mistah FAB revealed. "It's been going on for 2, 3 years. It's been boiling. [Big] Von's never liked me. We're just gonna be real. Like this guy's a failed rapper. Failed rapper turned DJ."
Mistah FAB recently struck back at Cunningham and Big Von with his freestyle over the beat to the classic Boogie Down Productions song "The Bridge Is Over" [click to hear].
In his freestyle, Mistah FAB immediately begins taking shots at Big Von, "You don't gotta play my record Von and you don't gotta play my sh**, but to me you a b**ch."
"That was just me going in the studio talking the truth. Everything that's said in that song is true facts. We have documents that state the comments made by Stacy Cunningham, comments made by Big Von," Mistah FAB explained to HipHopDX. "Like I say, I'm passed the thought of will I ever get played on that radio station. I want to be the voice for the hidden frustration, the hidden struggle of any artists that want to say what I'm saying, but they're not in the position to be relevant if they do say it."
Currently, Mistah FAB is working on a new album entitled The Bus Ride which is expected to be released spring of next year and Mistah FAB will be releasing his new single "Still Gone Eat" featuring Rick Ross and Glasses Malone in the coming weeks.
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Posted By: YV | Saturday, September 6, 2008
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wow 'A- (the difference)' is an idiot.
You're acting like what you speak are facts when its OBVIOUS that it's just your opinion.
You're right for one part, Big Von doesn't like FAB's music. But it's not because Fab's music 'sucks', it's simply because Von is a bitch when it comes to him and Fab... he'll never spin any of Fab's tracks no matter how good the track is. "Life of The Party" was a hot single by Snoop and reached good rankings on '106&Park', but Von didn't want to play the song just because of the fact that Fab was on the hook. That's what you call 'bitchassness' right there man.
Big Von has bad blood with Fab, and that type of controversy is what's killing this Bay Area scene. It's not Fab's fault that he got mad at Von for not playing his tracks. Von's the one who can't even support the Bay's artists; and it's not just Fab, all the other artists out here aren't getting radio play either.
All Von plays is that mainstream crap. When people go to visit the Bay from Atl, NY, Chi, etc. they feel right at home because Von keeps playing music from other areas. It's not like how it was in 2006 where outsiders would come to the Bay Area and get a crazy vibe on the radio than what they're used to.
Posted By: E.S.O. Boy | Friday, September 5, 2008
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Lmao off Andre 4000 ignorant ass. Nigga Yellow Bus Radio was on Wild 94.9, not KMEL. Thats rival stations bruh. Why u think Von was hating on Fab in the first place...
Posted By: atamediumpace | Friday, September 5, 2008
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WTF happened to Bailey? he had a hot album, and a couple mixtapes, but is now nowhere to be found.
Posted By: anyaisabel | Friday, September 5, 2008
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Correction: Not Vons lyrics..Vons ratings
Posted By: AnyaIsabel @Andre 4000 & tower | Friday, September 5, 2008
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Andre4000:
What part of the bay are YOU from? Yellow Bus Radio was on 94.9 , not 106.1 oppisite of Von's show. Although Von did not like him before then thats when his music STOPPED getting played. YBR was killing Von's lyrics and a bitch ass nigga that he is he did everything in his power to stop that. e-40 is prob. the only person who gets played on a regular basis, I can not even remember the last time federation has had a song on KMEL. Von and KMEL even went as far as to EDIT his parts out of remixes on songs...Now tell me isn't that a little much? But PLEASE stand behind Von 150% actually because he needs it...Hes been doing alot of F'd up things to ALOT of artists from the bay but Fab decided to say something about it.
Tower: Thank YOU! I agree with you.. but there are people out there trying to put other people on but its hard when bitchmade niggas can't stand to see someone do better than them..
Posted By: Tower | Friday, September 5, 2008
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The bay is home to me... but the whole bay is full of crabs. They all don't let no one come up. Radio, Event Promoters, B-Boys, graff artists, etc. The list goes on and on.
The bay is home to a lot of original talent, it's too bad everyone around the bay holds it back. Look how long it took 40 to get some of the juice he deserves in terms of being original/having a style. Shouldn't short be near the status of snoop?
Posted By: antdeshawn1 | Friday, September 5, 2008
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yeah i heard this a while ago being that i live n the city(hp stand up) whatever beef von got wit FAB they need to squash i wanna hear FAB on the radio..they dont really play hella local shit but like somebody said thats everywhere
Posted By: JayP | Friday, September 5, 2008
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBMg1SvSpqs
Posted By: ANDRE4000 | Friday, September 5, 2008
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I am from the bay and stay hyphy with it all day...But c'mon FAB. You acting like a F-A-G...I know VON personally...as well as other niggas from the Bay...VON, Hoodrat Miguel...they got mad love for the bay. How this nigga gonna say KMEL isnt behind him??? FAB had his own show called YELLOWBUS on KMEL! Fucking idiot...Fuckin KMEL had a summer jam and had the whole Federation and his ass on stage. Nigga, if you made slammin music...your shit will get played. They got mad love for the bay...E40 gets played...Federation is played all the time. He lost some stripes for this one...I stand behind my nigga VON 110%.
Thats official from ANDRE4000 doing 100 in a 25.
Posted By: NxCALIxHITMAN | Friday, September 5, 2008
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New Bay vs Old Bay.The old Bay by far had the better music.All that new Hyphy music is alright,but that old RBL,IMP,Cold World,Mac Dre,3Times....hands down better than that Hyphy.The only New Bay cat doing his thing is Big Rich.FAB,sorry bro....not a fan.
Posted By: E.S.O. Boy | Friday, September 5, 2008
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My God u people on hear are such clowns. Fab hasn't made a hyphy song in two fucking years. Stop pigeon holding the whole Bay, along with FAB as just a one dimensional. FAB was spitting fire b4 hyphy, and he doin it after.
And too the dumbass who compared hyphy music too Soulja Boy and that hoe ass bubble gum snap music, u got us way too fucked up. Hyphy is from the streets. The music is feel good music, and a break from all the gun talk that everybody else is on. The movement aint never gon die, unlike crunk and snap. If u think I'm playing, come fuck around out here and You'll see how Fasssst niggas get hyphy on that ass.
Posted By: wee bae | Friday, September 5, 2008
Report Comment
FUCK THE RADIO!
these radio DJs are drunk with power..... rappers like Mistah FAB can flood the internet with his shit(which to me is way more effective than going thru radio).... although radio does have it's advantages............... it's definitely not game over because one radio station in the bay area refuses to play fab's music.
Posted By: atamediumpace | Friday, September 5, 2008
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Fuck the radio. Radio didn't make hip hop what it is, the listeners did. Cox, Clear Channel, Cumulus, and CBS, are in collusion to control what the masses hear. You don't have to believe me, just read Behold a Pale Horse. The bottom line is radio is only interested in force feeding a certain type of message into the minds of their listeners. That's why I encourge this whole generation to support the artists they like, and to forget about the radio altogether until the FCC decentralizes it.
^^^ - I somewhat agree with this comment.i never listen to radio anymore, since like, 2000. I only listen to artists i like and discover new acts by word of mouth or going to shows. Radio, however, will not get better. Now that is controlled by ClearChannel, CBS, COX, etc... music programming will be more fickle in the future and less music will be played. take a look at the morning radio now! No one plays music anymore, I don't wanna hear some idiots rambling about BS, I wanna hear music. ClearChannel, Cox, CBS and the others also want to tax internet radio three times as much as FM because no one is listening to radio anymore.
www.savenetradio.org
Posted By: THE 'son | Friday, September 5, 2008
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Who (got bodied) ? Cry some more Fabby. You get no respect outside of The Bay as it is.
Happy Bar Exam 2 bitches!
Russel Simmons on The politics and the presidency
ABOUT SARAH PALIN
I am a resident of Wasilla, Alaska. I have known Sarah since 1992. Everyone here knows Sarah, so it is nothing special to say we are on a first-name basis. Our children have attended the same schools. Her father was my child's favorite substitute teacher. I also am on a first name basis with her parents and mother-in-law. I attended more City Council meetings during her administration than about 99% of the residents of the city.
She is enormously popular; in every way she's like the most popular
girl in middle school. Even men who think she is a poor choice and
won't vote for her can't quit smiling when talking about her because
she is a "babe". It is astonishing and almost scary how well she can keep a secret. She kept her most recent pregnancy a secret from her children and parents for seven months. She is "pro-life". She recently gave birth to a Down's syndrome baby. There is no cover-up involved, here; Trig is her baby. She is energetic and hardworking. She regularly worked out at the
gym. She is savvy. She doesn't take positions; she just "puts things out
there" and if they prove to be popular, then she takes credit.
Her husband works a union job on the North Slope for BP and is a champion snowmobile racer. Todd Palin's kind of job is highly sought-after because of the schedule and high pay. He arranges his work schedule so he can fish for salmon in Bristol Bay for a month or so in summer, but by no stretch of the imagination is fishing their major source of income. Nor has her life-style ever been anything like that of native Alaskans. Sarah and her whole family are avid hunters.
She's smart. Her experience is as mayor of a city with a population of about 5,000 (at the time), and less than 2 years as governor of a state with about 670,000 residents. During her mayoral administration most of the actual work of running this small city was turned over to an administrator. She had been pushed to hire this administrator by party power-brokers after she had gotten herself into some trouble over precipitous firings which had
given rise to a recall campaign.
Sarah campaigned in Wasilla as a "fiscal conservative". During her 6 years as Mayor, she increased general government expenditures by over 33%. During those same 6 years the amount of taxes collected by the City increased by 38%. This was during a period of low inflation (1996-2002). She reduced progressive property taxes and increased a regressive sales tax which taxed even food. The tax cuts that she promoted benefited large corporate property owners way more than they benefited residents.
The huge increases in tax revenues during her mayoral administration weren't enough to fund everything on her wish list though, borrowed money was needed, too. She inherited a city with zero debt, but left it with indebtedness of over $22 million. What did Mayor Palin encourage the voters to borrow money for? Was it the infrastructure that she said she supported? The sewage treatment plant that the city lacked? or a new library? No. $1m for a park. $15m-plus for construction of a multi-use sports complex which she rushed through to build on a piece of property that the City didn't even have clear title to, that was still in litigation 7 yrs later--to the delight of the lawyers involved! The sports complex itself is a nice addition to the community but a huge money pit, not the profit-generator she claimed it would be. She also supported bonds for $5.5m for road
projects that could have been done in 5-7 yrs without any borrowing. While Mayor, City Hall was extensively remodeled and her office redecorated more than once.
These are small numbers, but Wasilla is a very small city. As an oil producer, the high price of oil has created a budget surplus in Alaska. Rather than invest this surplus in technology that will make us energy independent and increase efficiency, as Governor she proposed distribution of this surplus to every individual in the state.
In this time of record state revenues and budget surpluses, she recommended that the state borrow/bond for road projects, even while she proposed distribution of surplus state revenues: spend today's surplus, borrow for needs. She's not very tolerant of divergent opinions or open to outside ideas or compromise. As Mayor, she fought ideas that weren't generated by her or her staff. Ideas weren't evaluated on their merits, but on the basis of who proposed them.
While Sarah was Mayor of Wasilla she tried to fire our highly respected City Librarian because the Librarian refused to consider removing from the library some books that Sarah wanted removed. City residents rallied to the defense of the City Librarian and against Palin's attempt at out-and-out censorship, so Palin backed down and withdrew her termination letter. People who fought her attempt to oust the librarian are on her enemies list to this day.
Sarah complained about the "old boy's club" when she first ran for Mayor, so what did she bring Wasilla? A new set of "old boys". Plain fired most of the experienced staff she inherited. At the City and as Governor she hired or elevated new, inexperienced, obscure people, creating a staff totally dependent on her for their jobs and eternally grateful and fiercely loyal--loyal to the point of abusing their power to further her personal agenda, as she has acknowledged happened in the case of pressuring the State's top cop (see below).
As Mayor, Sarah fired Wasilla's Police Chief because he "intimidated" her, she told the press. As Governor, her recent firing of Alaska's top cop has the ring of familiarity about it. He served at her pleasure and she had every legal right to fire him, but it's pretty clear that an important factor in her decision to fire him was because he wouldn't fire her sister's ex-husband, a State Trooper. Under investigation for abuse of power, she has had to admit that more than 2 dozen contacts were made between her staff and family to the person that she later fired, pressuring him to fire her ex-brother-in-law. She tried to replace the man she fired with a man who she knew had been reprimanded for sexual harassment; when this caused a public furor, she withdrew her support. She has bitten the hand of every person who extended theirs to her in help. The City Council person who personally escorted her around town introducing her to voters when she first ran for Wasilla City Council became one of her first targets when she was later elected Mayor. She abruptly fired her loyal City Administrator; even people who didn't like the guy were stunned by this ruthlessness.
Fear of retribution has kept all of these people from saying anything publicly about her. When then-Governor Murkowski was handing out political plums, Sarah got the best, Chair of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission: one of the few jobs not in Juneau and one of the best paid. She had no background in oil & gas issues. Within months of scoring this great job which paid $122,400/yr, she was complaining in the press about the high salary. I was told that she hated that job: the commute, the structured hours, the work. Sarah became aware that a member of this Commission (who was also the State Chair of the Republican Party) engaged in unethical behavior on the job. In a gutsy move which some undoubtedly cautioned her could be political suicide, Sarah solved all her problems in one fell swoop: got out of the job she hated and garnered gobs of media attention as the patron saint of ethics and as a gutsy fighter against the "old boys' club" when she dramatically quit, exposing this man's ethics violations (for which he was fined).
As Mayor, she had her hand stuck out as far as anyone for pork from Senator Ted Stevens. Lately, she has castigated his pork-barrel politics and publicly humiliated him. She only opposed the "bridge to nowhere" after it became clear that it would be unwise not to. As Governor, she gave the Legislature no direction and budget guidelines, then made a big grandstand display of line-item vetoing projects, calling them pork. Public outcry and further legislative action restored most of these projects--which had been vetoed simply because she was not aware of their importance--but with the unobservant she had gained a reputation as "anti-pork". She is solidly Republican: no political maverick. The State party leaders hate her because she has bit them in the back and humiliated them. Other members of the party object to her self-description as a fiscal conservative.
Around Wasilla there are people who went to high school with Sarah. They call her "Sarah Barracuda" because of her unbridled ambition and predatory ruthlessness. Before she became so powerful, very ugly stories circulated around town about shenanigans she pulled to be made point guard on the high school basketball team. When Sarah's mother-in-law, a highly respected member of the community and experienced manager, ran for Mayor, Sarah refused to endorse her.
As Governor, she stepped outside of the box and put together of package of legislation known as "AGIA" that forced the oil companies to march to the beat of her drum. Like most Alaskans, she favors drilling in the Arctic National WildlifeRefuge. She has questioned if the loss of sea ice is linked to global warming. She campaigned "as a private citizen" against a state initiative that would have either a) protected salmon streams from
pollution from mines, or b) tied up in the courts all mining in the
state (depending on who you listen to). She has pushed the State's lawsuit against the Dept. of the Interior's decision to list polar bears as threatened species.
McCain is the oldest person to ever run for President; Sarah will be a heartbeat away from being President. There has to be literally millions of Americans who are more knowledgeable and experienced than she. However, there's a lot of people who have underestimated her and are getting it.
CLAIM VS. FACT
*"Hockey mom": true for a few years
*"PTA mom": true years ago when her first-born was in elementary
school, not since
*"NRA supporter": absolutely true
*social conservative: mixed. Opposes gay marriage, BUT vetoed a bill
that would have denied benefits to employees in same-sex relationships (said she did this because it was unconstitutional).
*pro-creationism: mixed. Supports it, BUT did nothing as Governor to promote it.
*"Pro-life": mixed. Knowingly gave birth to a Down's syndrome baby BUT declined to call a special legislative session on some pro-life
legislation.
*"Experienced": Some high schools have more students than Wasilla has residents. Many cities have more residents than the state of Alaska.
No legislative experience other than City Council. Little hands-on supervisory or managerial experience; needed help of a city
administrator to run town of about 5,000.
*political maverick: not at all.
*gutsy: absolutely!
*open & transparent: ??? Good at keeping secrets. Not good at explaining actions.
*has a developed philosophy of public policy: no.
*"a Greenie": no. Turned Wasilla into a wasteland of big box stores and disconnected parking lots. Is pro-drilling off-shore and in ANWR.
*fiscal conservative: not by my definition!
*pro-infrastructure: No. Promoted a sports complex and park in a city
without a sewage treatment plant or storm drainage system. Built streets to early 20th century standards.
*pro-tax relief: Lowered taxes for businesses, increased tax burden on residents.
*pro-small government: No. Oversaw greatest expansion of city government in Wasilla's history.
*pro-labor/pro-union. No. Just because her husband works union doesn't make her pro-labor. I have seen nothing to support any claim that she is pro-labor/pro-union.
WHY AM I WRITING THIS?
First, I have long believed in the importance of being an informed voter. I am a voter registrar. For 10 years I put on student voting programs in the schools. If you google my name (Anne Kilkenny + Alaska), you will find references to my participation in local government, education, and PTA/parent organizations.
Secondly, I've always operated in the belief that "Bad things happen
when good people stay silent". Few people know as much as I do because few have gone to as many City Council meetings.
Third, I am just a housewife. I don't have a job she can bump me out of. I don't belong to any organization that she can hurt. But, I am no fool; she is immensely popular here, and it is likely that this will cost me somehow in the future: that's life.
Fourth, she has hated me since back in 1996, when I was one of the
100 or so people who rallied to support the City Librarian against
Sarah's attempt at censorship.
Fifth, I looked around and realized that everybody else was afraid to
say anything because they were somehow vulnerable.
CAVEATS
I am not a statistician. I developed the numbers for the increase in spending & taxation 2 years ago (when Palin was running for Governor)
from information supplied to me by the Finance Director of the City of Wasilla, and I can't recall exactly what I adjusted for: did I adjust for inflation? for population increases? Right now, it is impossible for a private person to get any info out of City Hall--they are
swamped. So I can't verify my numbers.
You may have noticed that there are various numbers circulating for
the population of Wasilla, ranging from my "about 5,000", up to 9,000.
The day Palin's selection was announced a city official told me that the current population is about 7,000. The official 2000 census count was 5,460. I have used about 5,000 because Palin was Mayor from 1996 to 2002, and the city was growing rapidly in the mid-90's.
Anne
-Russell Simmons
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Barack or Die!
September 08, 2008, 05:23 PM EST
• Hi Russell: thanks for the information. This election is tough because you have one candidate who is advocating change and demonstrating how this change will come along. And you have another candidate who is advocating change but is really not demonstrating how that change will come along. I think that when Obama “picked a fight with McCain” he picked a fight based on the issues and it is those issues that I think should be the center of the campaign. When McCain picked a fight with Obama, I don’t think that he really had a foundation. In this debate, I think that the issues we should focus on are what is being ignored by the McCain Camp. (Economy/ Health care/ The War). I have read this article and it is very informative. Note that I am not looking to bash any candidate. I just want to choose a candidate who will be right for the position. To me, this election is a job interview and each candidate should be well qualified. At the selection of Sarah Pallin, quite frankly, I think that she is more “eye candy” for the McCain Camp rather than legitimate candidate who can make a difference. There is a serious disparity in the McCain Camp with Pallin. Like, I have every confidence that should “god forbid” anything happen to Obama; Biden would step into his shoes and do the job with ease. But should, god forbid, anything happen to McCain, “are you kidding me that this inexperience girl would because the leader of this nation. Please I hope that people open their eyes and see beyond her beauty and see the depth of this person. In my opinion, she is not the right person for the job. She is too inexperience, She is not within the league of Hilary Clinton or any of the senior governors.
I am a resident of Wasilla, Alaska. I have known Sarah since 1992. Everyone here knows Sarah, so it is nothing special to say we are on a first-name basis. Our children have attended the same schools. Her father was my child's favorite substitute teacher. I also am on a first name basis with her parents and mother-in-law. I attended more City Council meetings during her administration than about 99% of the residents of the city.
She is enormously popular; in every way she's like the most popular
girl in middle school. Even men who think she is a poor choice and
won't vote for her can't quit smiling when talking about her because
she is a "babe". It is astonishing and almost scary how well she can keep a secret. She kept her most recent pregnancy a secret from her children and parents for seven months. She is "pro-life". She recently gave birth to a Down's syndrome baby. There is no cover-up involved, here; Trig is her baby. She is energetic and hardworking. She regularly worked out at the
gym. She is savvy. She doesn't take positions; she just "puts things out
there" and if they prove to be popular, then she takes credit.
Her husband works a union job on the North Slope for BP and is a champion snowmobile racer. Todd Palin's kind of job is highly sought-after because of the schedule and high pay. He arranges his work schedule so he can fish for salmon in Bristol Bay for a month or so in summer, but by no stretch of the imagination is fishing their major source of income. Nor has her life-style ever been anything like that of native Alaskans. Sarah and her whole family are avid hunters.
She's smart. Her experience is as mayor of a city with a population of about 5,000 (at the time), and less than 2 years as governor of a state with about 670,000 residents. During her mayoral administration most of the actual work of running this small city was turned over to an administrator. She had been pushed to hire this administrator by party power-brokers after she had gotten herself into some trouble over precipitous firings which had
given rise to a recall campaign.
Sarah campaigned in Wasilla as a "fiscal conservative". During her 6 years as Mayor, she increased general government expenditures by over 33%. During those same 6 years the amount of taxes collected by the City increased by 38%. This was during a period of low inflation (1996-2002). She reduced progressive property taxes and increased a regressive sales tax which taxed even food. The tax cuts that she promoted benefited large corporate property owners way more than they benefited residents.
The huge increases in tax revenues during her mayoral administration weren't enough to fund everything on her wish list though, borrowed money was needed, too. She inherited a city with zero debt, but left it with indebtedness of over $22 million. What did Mayor Palin encourage the voters to borrow money for? Was it the infrastructure that she said she supported? The sewage treatment plant that the city lacked? or a new library? No. $1m for a park. $15m-plus for construction of a multi-use sports complex which she rushed through to build on a piece of property that the City didn't even have clear title to, that was still in litigation 7 yrs later--to the delight of the lawyers involved! The sports complex itself is a nice addition to the community but a huge money pit, not the profit-generator she claimed it would be. She also supported bonds for $5.5m for road
projects that could have been done in 5-7 yrs without any borrowing. While Mayor, City Hall was extensively remodeled and her office redecorated more than once.
These are small numbers, but Wasilla is a very small city. As an oil producer, the high price of oil has created a budget surplus in Alaska. Rather than invest this surplus in technology that will make us energy independent and increase efficiency, as Governor she proposed distribution of this surplus to every individual in the state.
In this time of record state revenues and budget surpluses, she recommended that the state borrow/bond for road projects, even while she proposed distribution of surplus state revenues: spend today's surplus, borrow for needs. She's not very tolerant of divergent opinions or open to outside ideas or compromise. As Mayor, she fought ideas that weren't generated by her or her staff. Ideas weren't evaluated on their merits, but on the basis of who proposed them.
While Sarah was Mayor of Wasilla she tried to fire our highly respected City Librarian because the Librarian refused to consider removing from the library some books that Sarah wanted removed. City residents rallied to the defense of the City Librarian and against Palin's attempt at out-and-out censorship, so Palin backed down and withdrew her termination letter. People who fought her attempt to oust the librarian are on her enemies list to this day.
Sarah complained about the "old boy's club" when she first ran for Mayor, so what did she bring Wasilla? A new set of "old boys". Plain fired most of the experienced staff she inherited. At the City and as Governor she hired or elevated new, inexperienced, obscure people, creating a staff totally dependent on her for their jobs and eternally grateful and fiercely loyal--loyal to the point of abusing their power to further her personal agenda, as she has acknowledged happened in the case of pressuring the State's top cop (see below).
As Mayor, Sarah fired Wasilla's Police Chief because he "intimidated" her, she told the press. As Governor, her recent firing of Alaska's top cop has the ring of familiarity about it. He served at her pleasure and she had every legal right to fire him, but it's pretty clear that an important factor in her decision to fire him was because he wouldn't fire her sister's ex-husband, a State Trooper. Under investigation for abuse of power, she has had to admit that more than 2 dozen contacts were made between her staff and family to the person that she later fired, pressuring him to fire her ex-brother-in-law. She tried to replace the man she fired with a man who she knew had been reprimanded for sexual harassment; when this caused a public furor, she withdrew her support. She has bitten the hand of every person who extended theirs to her in help. The City Council person who personally escorted her around town introducing her to voters when she first ran for Wasilla City Council became one of her first targets when she was later elected Mayor. She abruptly fired her loyal City Administrator; even people who didn't like the guy were stunned by this ruthlessness.
Fear of retribution has kept all of these people from saying anything publicly about her. When then-Governor Murkowski was handing out political plums, Sarah got the best, Chair of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission: one of the few jobs not in Juneau and one of the best paid. She had no background in oil & gas issues. Within months of scoring this great job which paid $122,400/yr, she was complaining in the press about the high salary. I was told that she hated that job: the commute, the structured hours, the work. Sarah became aware that a member of this Commission (who was also the State Chair of the Republican Party) engaged in unethical behavior on the job. In a gutsy move which some undoubtedly cautioned her could be political suicide, Sarah solved all her problems in one fell swoop: got out of the job she hated and garnered gobs of media attention as the patron saint of ethics and as a gutsy fighter against the "old boys' club" when she dramatically quit, exposing this man's ethics violations (for which he was fined).
As Mayor, she had her hand stuck out as far as anyone for pork from Senator Ted Stevens. Lately, she has castigated his pork-barrel politics and publicly humiliated him. She only opposed the "bridge to nowhere" after it became clear that it would be unwise not to. As Governor, she gave the Legislature no direction and budget guidelines, then made a big grandstand display of line-item vetoing projects, calling them pork. Public outcry and further legislative action restored most of these projects--which had been vetoed simply because she was not aware of their importance--but with the unobservant she had gained a reputation as "anti-pork". She is solidly Republican: no political maverick. The State party leaders hate her because she has bit them in the back and humiliated them. Other members of the party object to her self-description as a fiscal conservative.
Around Wasilla there are people who went to high school with Sarah. They call her "Sarah Barracuda" because of her unbridled ambition and predatory ruthlessness. Before she became so powerful, very ugly stories circulated around town about shenanigans she pulled to be made point guard on the high school basketball team. When Sarah's mother-in-law, a highly respected member of the community and experienced manager, ran for Mayor, Sarah refused to endorse her.
As Governor, she stepped outside of the box and put together of package of legislation known as "AGIA" that forced the oil companies to march to the beat of her drum. Like most Alaskans, she favors drilling in the Arctic National WildlifeRefuge. She has questioned if the loss of sea ice is linked to global warming. She campaigned "as a private citizen" against a state initiative that would have either a) protected salmon streams from
pollution from mines, or b) tied up in the courts all mining in the
state (depending on who you listen to). She has pushed the State's lawsuit against the Dept. of the Interior's decision to list polar bears as threatened species.
McCain is the oldest person to ever run for President; Sarah will be a heartbeat away from being President. There has to be literally millions of Americans who are more knowledgeable and experienced than she. However, there's a lot of people who have underestimated her and are getting it.
CLAIM VS. FACT
*"Hockey mom": true for a few years
*"PTA mom": true years ago when her first-born was in elementary
school, not since
*"NRA supporter": absolutely true
*social conservative: mixed. Opposes gay marriage, BUT vetoed a bill
that would have denied benefits to employees in same-sex relationships (said she did this because it was unconstitutional).
*pro-creationism: mixed. Supports it, BUT did nothing as Governor to promote it.
*"Pro-life": mixed. Knowingly gave birth to a Down's syndrome baby BUT declined to call a special legislative session on some pro-life
legislation.
*"Experienced": Some high schools have more students than Wasilla has residents. Many cities have more residents than the state of Alaska.
No legislative experience other than City Council. Little hands-on supervisory or managerial experience; needed help of a city
administrator to run town of about 5,000.
*political maverick: not at all.
*gutsy: absolutely!
*open & transparent: ??? Good at keeping secrets. Not good at explaining actions.
*has a developed philosophy of public policy: no.
*"a Greenie": no. Turned Wasilla into a wasteland of big box stores and disconnected parking lots. Is pro-drilling off-shore and in ANWR.
*fiscal conservative: not by my definition!
*pro-infrastructure: No. Promoted a sports complex and park in a city
without a sewage treatment plant or storm drainage system. Built streets to early 20th century standards.
*pro-tax relief: Lowered taxes for businesses, increased tax burden on residents.
*pro-small government: No. Oversaw greatest expansion of city government in Wasilla's history.
*pro-labor/pro-union. No. Just because her husband works union doesn't make her pro-labor. I have seen nothing to support any claim that she is pro-labor/pro-union.
WHY AM I WRITING THIS?
First, I have long believed in the importance of being an informed voter. I am a voter registrar. For 10 years I put on student voting programs in the schools. If you google my name (Anne Kilkenny + Alaska), you will find references to my participation in local government, education, and PTA/parent organizations.
Secondly, I've always operated in the belief that "Bad things happen
when good people stay silent". Few people know as much as I do because few have gone to as many City Council meetings.
Third, I am just a housewife. I don't have a job she can bump me out of. I don't belong to any organization that she can hurt. But, I am no fool; she is immensely popular here, and it is likely that this will cost me somehow in the future: that's life.
Fourth, she has hated me since back in 1996, when I was one of the
100 or so people who rallied to support the City Librarian against
Sarah's attempt at censorship.
Fifth, I looked around and realized that everybody else was afraid to
say anything because they were somehow vulnerable.
CAVEATS
I am not a statistician. I developed the numbers for the increase in spending & taxation 2 years ago (when Palin was running for Governor)
from information supplied to me by the Finance Director of the City of Wasilla, and I can't recall exactly what I adjusted for: did I adjust for inflation? for population increases? Right now, it is impossible for a private person to get any info out of City Hall--they are
swamped. So I can't verify my numbers.
You may have noticed that there are various numbers circulating for
the population of Wasilla, ranging from my "about 5,000", up to 9,000.
The day Palin's selection was announced a city official told me that the current population is about 7,000. The official 2000 census count was 5,460. I have used about 5,000 because Palin was Mayor from 1996 to 2002, and the city was growing rapidly in the mid-90's.
Anne
-Russell Simmons
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Kdollaz1
September 08, 2008, 03:46 PM EST
Barack or Die!
September 08, 2008, 05:23 PM EST
• Hi Russell: thanks for the information. This election is tough because you have one candidate who is advocating change and demonstrating how this change will come along. And you have another candidate who is advocating change but is really not demonstrating how that change will come along. I think that when Obama “picked a fight with McCain” he picked a fight based on the issues and it is those issues that I think should be the center of the campaign. When McCain picked a fight with Obama, I don’t think that he really had a foundation. In this debate, I think that the issues we should focus on are what is being ignored by the McCain Camp. (Economy/ Health care/ The War). I have read this article and it is very informative. Note that I am not looking to bash any candidate. I just want to choose a candidate who will be right for the position. To me, this election is a job interview and each candidate should be well qualified. At the selection of Sarah Pallin, quite frankly, I think that she is more “eye candy” for the McCain Camp rather than legitimate candidate who can make a difference. There is a serious disparity in the McCain Camp with Pallin. Like, I have every confidence that should “god forbid” anything happen to Obama; Biden would step into his shoes and do the job with ease. But should, god forbid, anything happen to McCain, “are you kidding me that this inexperience girl would because the leader of this nation. Please I hope that people open their eyes and see beyond her beauty and see the depth of this person. In my opinion, she is not the right person for the job. She is too inexperience, She is not within the league of Hilary Clinton or any of the senior governors.
Saturday, September 6, 2008
who speak to you in your sleep society is brainwashed one world government world war three resist please to many nukes in this world
What does it take to free the mind?
So many oppressed full of stress screaming they’re not blind!
But if you press rewind it isn’t hard to defined illuminati the chips and how most walk with no third eye!
See life for what it is, in time escape this mortal prison,
Such a sad way we’re living,
With out dying physically see GOD comes and visits!
Who knows the day and time a question once asked and yet man still walk on blind!
Answer? heck! they rather not reply,
You see the master mind plays both side and in time you see when the riddle is unwind!
Universal laws broken down!
Back to the caves no longer can they come out side!
Fools all gather around!
But you see it’s the love of lust that has them hunting and looking down!
Why read what you can’t comprehend?
Why kill for what you can’t spend?
Fight over wrong and die over ends!
Surrender for what? the heathen questions,
Expectance is evident!
I will, he mumbles to his questioning separate that is not there!
Who then you say is he talking to?
If this is the thought in your midbrain then answer that thought that you entertain.
It’s about change most claim, verbally point their lips to take aim!
Wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As the saying goes! LET HE WHO HAVE NOT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE,
Stand for what you believe in and die for your throne!
Reborn inside is of he that, that is always home!
Find who it is and you’re never alone.
So many oppressed full of stress screaming they’re not blind!
But if you press rewind it isn’t hard to defined illuminati the chips and how most walk with no third eye!
See life for what it is, in time escape this mortal prison,
Such a sad way we’re living,
With out dying physically see GOD comes and visits!
Who knows the day and time a question once asked and yet man still walk on blind!
Answer? heck! they rather not reply,
You see the master mind plays both side and in time you see when the riddle is unwind!
Universal laws broken down!
Back to the caves no longer can they come out side!
Fools all gather around!
But you see it’s the love of lust that has them hunting and looking down!
Why read what you can’t comprehend?
Why kill for what you can’t spend?
Fight over wrong and die over ends!
Surrender for what? the heathen questions,
Expectance is evident!
I will, he mumbles to his questioning separate that is not there!
Who then you say is he talking to?
If this is the thought in your midbrain then answer that thought that you entertain.
It’s about change most claim, verbally point their lips to take aim!
Wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As the saying goes! LET HE WHO HAVE NOT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE,
Stand for what you believe in and die for your throne!
Reborn inside is of he that, that is always home!
Find who it is and you’re never alone.
Friday, September 5, 2008
son of no man or universal force
"Son of Who?"
By - Yusuf Estes
Does the belief in Jesus, peace be upon him, as a 'son of God' really make sense?
What exactly does 'son of God' mean?
Can true salvation from God, be the punishment of someone else who is innocent from any of these crimes, to be punished as though he were guilty?
Does God need someone to suffer severe punishment, even though they are trying, day after day.
Did Jesus, peace be upon him, tell the people to take him as a god, or to worship him?
Let us find the answer to these and other important questions about the nature of Jesus of Christianity and Islam.
"Look to the Books"
To begin, let us do a sample comparison of the teachings of the Holy Books of Almighty God.
QURAN OF ISLAM
Surah 39:53 "Say: 'Oh my servants who have transgressed against their souls! Despair not of the Mercy of Allah: for Allah forgives all sins, for he is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful'."
Also: Surah 4:110
"If anyone does evil or wrongs his own soul but afterwards seeks Allah's forgiveness, he will find Allah Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."
Surah 2:21
"O you people! Adore your Guardian lord, who created you and those who came before you that you may become righteous."
Surah 58:22
"You will not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred. For such He has written faith in their hearts and strengthened them with a spirit from Himself. And He will admit them to Gardens beneath which rivers flow, to well therein (forever). Allah will be well pleased with them, and they with Him. They are the Party of Allah. Truly it is the Party of Allah that will achieve Felicity."
New Testament of BIBLE
Mark 6:10
"Why do you call me good?" answered Jesus, "No-one is good but God alone!"
Matthew 5:17
"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them, but rather to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until Heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of the pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until all things are accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven. But whoever keeps the commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven."
Matthew 7:21
"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the Will of the Father who is in Heaven. Many will say to me on the day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!"
Some leaders claimed, "This probably refers to the Mormons or somebody else. Don't worry about it."
Mark 1:35
Gabriel says Jesus will be "called the son of God" and he would be "given the Throne of David" to "rule the House of Jacob forever."
Luke 3:36
"Enos was the son of Seth, and Seth was the son of Adam, and Adam was the son of God."
Note: Adam, not Jesus, is listed in this genealogy of Jesus as the son of God, not Jesus.
Later on, the priests are asking Jesus, peace be upon him, if he claims to be the son of God. He tells them in fact, it is they who are making this claim.
"You say that I am."
Gospel of John contains the greatest number of references to "son of God."
Jesus, speaking in the third person talked about the "Son of God" in John 3:17
John 5:24
John 11:4
John 11:27
Martha, one of the followers, calls Jesus, peace be upon him, "The Messiah, the Son of God"
John 20:31 he is called "The Messiah, the Son of God."
But no verse makes the exact statement "Jesus is the Son of God and as such he is divine or God."
QURAN
4:171
"O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of Allah anything but the truth. Christ Jesus, the son of Mary was (no more than) a Messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His Messengers. Say not "Trinity": desist: It will be better for you: For Allah is One God: Glory be to Him: (Far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs."
Notice in the Bible, the frequent link between the position of Jesus, peace be upon him, as the Messiah and the 'son-ship.'
The term 'son of god' can not, in itself, be considered enough to declare anything unique about Jesus, peace be upon him, as this term is used for many people throughout the Old and the New Testament.
See above: Luke 3:38
Also, in Isaiah 62:8
refers to the entire house of Israel as being, 'Sons of God'.
Romans 8:14 Paul tells us about those who are led by the spirit:
"because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God."
The word "Messiah" is one that more particularly seems to represent the station of the person predicted to appear and lead the people to the victory over this world.
Oxford Companion of the Bible states Jews prior to Jesus, peace be upon him, hoped for a prophesied ruler, reigning with everlasting justice, peace and security for the "Sons of Israel."
BIBLE
Isaiah 11:1-5
"A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit. The spirit of the Lord will be on him - the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of power, the Spirit of Knowledge and of the fear of the Lord - and he will delight in the fear of the Lord."
Jeremiah 33:14-20
"The days are coming, declares the Lord, 'When I will fulfill the gracious promise I made to the house of Israel and to the house of Judah. In those days and at that time I will make a righteous Branch sprout from David's line; he will do what is just and right in the land. In those days Judah will be saved and Jerusalem will live in safety. This is the name by which it will be called: The Lord Our Righteousness." For this is what the Lord says: 'David will never fail to have a man to sit on the throne of the house of Israel, nor will the priests, who are Levites, ever fail to have a man to stand before me continually to offer burnt offerings, to burn grain offering and to present sacrifices."
Ezekiel 37:24-28:
"My servant David will be king over them, and they will all have one shepherd. They will follow my laws and be careful to keep my decrees. The will live in the land I gave to my servant Jacob, the land where your fathers lived. They and their children and their children's children will live there forever, and David my servant will be their prince forever. I will make a covenant of peace with them, it will be an everlasting covenant. I will establish them and increase their numbers and I will put my sanctuary among them forever. My dwelling place will be with them; I will be their God, and they will be my people. Then the nations will know that I the Lord make Israel holy, when my sanctuary is among them forever."
Genesis 49:10
"The scepter will not depart from Judah, nor the rules staff from between his feet, until he comes to whom it belongs and the obedience of the nations is his."
Numbers 24:17
"I see him, but not now; I behold him, but not near. A star will come out of Jacob; a scepter will rise out of Israel. He will crush the foreheads of Moab, the skulls of all the sons of Sheth. Edom will be conquered; Seir, his enemy, will conquered, but Israel will grow strong. A ruler will come out of Jacob and destroy the survivors of the city."
God Incarnate? NOT HERE
BIBLE
2 Samuel 7:12-15 Nathan the prophet (son of Solomon)
"The Lord declares to you that the Lord Himself will establish a house for you: When your days are over and you rest with your fathers, I will raise up your offspring to succeed you, who will come from your own body, and I will establish his kingdom. He is the one who will build a house for my Name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. I will be his father and he will be my son.
(New Testament book of Hebrews stops here)
Samuel continues:
"When he does wrong, I will punish him with the rod of men, with floggings inflicted by men. But my love will never be taken away from him, as I took it away from Saul, whom I removed from before you."
Hebrews 1:5
"You are my Son; today I have begotten you."
Does this support the case the doctrine that Jesus, peace be upon him, is the 'begotten Son of God?"
Old Testament BIBLE
Psalms 2:7 David is stating what God has proclaimed regarding David's relationship to God
"I will proclaim the decree of the Lord: he said to me, 'you are my Son; this day have I begotten you."
Note: the New International Version says the verse could be translated either as "become your Father" or as "begotten you" into English or Greek.
New Testament BIBLE
Mark 1:35
"He will be called the Son of God."
Note: This does not state he "is" the son, but rather, he will be "called" the son of God.
Or was he the "one anointed to preach Good News to the poor." prophesied by Isaiah, and the Messiah proclaimed by Gabriel, the followers of Jesus, peace be upon him, Jesus, himself and the remained of the New Testament, he evidently would not be God.
New Testament BIBLE
John 8:58
"I tell you the truth', Jesus answered, 'before Abraham was, I am!'"
"I am" is the term used to identify God to Moses, peace be upon him.
New Testament BIBLE
John 3:16
"For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten son, that whoever believed in him should not perish but have everlasting life."
This does not actually define Jesus, peace be upon him, as God, or as the Messiah or as a Prophet.
Note: This verse was actually modified by Jerome in the 4th century.
ARIUS (Early history of the Church) a popular leader from Alexandria, Egypt.
He argued, Jesus, peace be upon him, was created and not 'begotten.'
He was charged with heresy and his followers were horribly oppressed by the Church.
After the matter was 'decided' and 'confirmed' by the Council of Nicea in 325 A.D. and in an effort to consolidate both beliefs, Jerome altered the original version of the Gospel of John 3:16 by changing the word 'monogenes' (unique) and substituted the word 'ingenious'; meaning 'only begotten.'
What other 'interpretations' did the early Church Fathers invent to satisfy their claims of the divinity of Jesus, peace be upon him?
Good question.
New Testament BIBLE
John 10:38 "But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may learn and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father."
John 14:10 "Don't you know that I am in the Father and that the Father is in me? The words that I say to you are not my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me who is doing this work."
But further reading in the very same chapter:
John 14:20 "On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you."
So how does he live in his disciples and how do they live in him? And if so, are they also, sons of God or Gods?
Another good question.
1st John 2:5-6 (This is an epistle [letter] written by another "John," not John the Gospel er nor John the Baptist)
"But if anyone obeys his word, God's love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in Him. Whoever claims to live in Him must walk as Jesus did."
Note: This indicates, living 'in God' means, 'Obeying God's commandments and following the Way of Jesus, peace be upon him.'
Twice in the New Testament, Jesus, peace be upon him, tells his followers how to pray saying, "When you pray, say this…"
And the words are very clear, 'God's Will be done on earth as it is in Heaven."
BIBLE
John 17:22-23
"I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one; I in them and you in me. May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me."
The word used throughout chapter 10 and 17, for unity or one was the same, 'heis' meaning the number one. There is another word 'hen' which means a unity of essence. However, 'hen' is nowhere to be found in these chapters.
Note: Conclusion is this is a prayer from Jesus, peace be upon him, to God that all of his followers would have the same relationship that he (Jesus) had.
Understanding the word 'one' meanings understanding the way in which it is being used. For example a man and a woman become 'one' when they marry; someone might say, 'One hopes for success' or 'We are one in agreement.'
Jesus, peace be upon him, is supposed to have said, "If you have seen me, you have seen the Father." In the very part of the Bible we find the verse wherein Jesus, peace be upon him, tells his followers, if they accepted a little child, then they also accepted Jesus, peace be upon him. Naturally, he did not mean the child was God or that he was a child.
Christians are taught early in life, by doing good deeds and service for others, they are in fact allowing others to see Jesus in them.
Why do we hold so tight to doctrines, even after realizing the incorrectness and false teachings?
Yet another good question.
The Bible clearly teaches that Jesus, peace be upon him, is a man, born of a woman without any father, strengthened by a Spirit from God (Gabriel), sent by God to teach the Children of Israel the true meaning of belief and proper actions (following the commandments) that God would accept from them and as such, their 'road to salvation.'
One more time:
BIBLE
John 1:1
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God at the beginning."
Jesus, peace be upon him, was the very "Word of God."
QURAN
Surah 4:171
"O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of Allah anything but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) A Messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from Him; so believe in Allah and His Messengers. Say not 'trinity': desist.
It is difficult for us to admit that we have been deceived for so many years by some many people, some of them very near and dear to us. The truth is, 'Someone has been lying to us' - on purpose.
It is also difficult to consider the consequences of loosing faith in the doctrine of the Church, out of fear of loosing faith in God altogether.
But there is wonderful hope, Grace, Mercy and Salvation for those who come to the correct belief and obey the commandments.
Wisdom or Word?
Oxford Companion to the Bible
The words "wisdom" and "word" were synonymous (exactly the same words) in Jewish thought at the time of Jesus.
Old Testament BIBLE
Proverbs 8:22-30
"The lord brought me forth at the beginning of his work before his deeds of old; I was appointed from eternity, from the beginning before the world began. When there were no oceans, I was given birth, when there were no springs abounding with water; before the mountains were settled in place, before the hills, I was given birth, before he made the earth or its fields or any of the dust of the world. I was there when he set the heavens in place, when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep, when he established the clouds above and fixed securely the fountains of the deep, when he gave the sea its boundary so the waters would not overstep his command, and when he marked out the foundations of the earth. Then I was the craftsman at his side."
Proverbs 3:19
"By Wisdom the Lord laid the earth's foundations, by understanding he set the heavens in place; by his knowledge the deeps were divided, and the clouds let drop the dew."
APOCRYPHA (hidden books of the Bible)
Wisdom 1 and Wisdom II
Sirach (also called: "Ecclesiasticus") written by Jesus ben Sira, a devout Jew of Jerusalem, 200 years before Christ.
These texts were a part of the Bible until the time of the Calvinists and the Protestant Reformation (hence the word - protest).
Scrolls found at Wadi Qumran and Masada confirm these were always a part of the ancient version of the Bible, but obviously not something Protestants wanted anything to do with.
Wisdom states in Sirach 24:1-12
"Wisdom praises herself, and tells of her glory in the midst of her people. In the assembly of the Most High she opens her mouth, and in the presence of his hosts she tells of her glory: 'I came forth from the mouth of the Most High and covered the earth like a mist. I dwelt in the highest heavens, and my throne was in a pillar of a cloud. Alone I compassed the vault of heaven and traversed the depths of the abyss. Over waves of the sea, over all the earth, and over every people and nation I have held sway. Among all these I sought a resting place; in whose territory should I abide? Then the Creator of all things gave me a command, and my Creator chose the place for my tent. He said, 'Make your dwelling in Jacob, and in Israel, receive your inheritance.' Before the ages, in the beginning he created me, and for all the ages I shall not cease to be. In the holy tent I ministered before him, and so I was established in Zion. Thus in the beloved city he gave me a resting place, and in Jerusalem was my domain. I took root in an honored people, in the portion of the Lord his heritage.
Wisdom of Solomon 7:25-27
"For she is a breath of the power of God, and a pure emanation of the glory of the Almighty; therefore nothing evil gains entrance into her. For she is a reflection of eternal light, a spotless mirror of the working of God, and an image of His goodness. Although she is but one, she can do all things, and while remaining in herself, she renews all things; in every generation she passes into holy souls and makes them friends of God, and prophets."
Did the beginning of the Gospel of John indicate John believed the Spirit was sent by God to Jesus, peace be upon him, that it was the Spirit of Wisdom, Spirit of Prophecy, sent to all the prophets, with the same commandments and wisdom?
Could the Spirit of Wisdom be with God since creation? Or perhaps the Spirit was the 'Word of God' that was uttered or breathed by God in the Beginning and then continued along with God in the rest of Creation?
BIBLE APOCRAPHA
Wisdom of Solomon 7:22
"For wisdom, the Fashioner of all things, taught me."
Could the Spirit of Wisdom be the Holy Spirit that spoke to Mary about having her baby? And the same Holy Spirit that descending upon him at this baptism?
BIBLE
John 1:32
"Then John gave this testimony: 'I saw the Spirit come down from heaven as a dove and remain on him. I would not have known him, except that the one who sent me to baptize with water told me, 'The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is he who will baptize with the Holy Spirit'."
All of this confirms without doubt the writers of the Old Testament and the New Testament were definitely on the lookout for a "Messiah" or "chosen leader of the way to salvation in this life and the next life."
The word in Hebrew for the 'chosen one' or 'anointed one' or 'appointed one' is 'Messiah.'
The word in Koine Greek for 'Messiah' is 'Christos' (became 'Christ').
The word in Arabic for it is "Meshiha"
Did Jesus, peace be upon him, ask people to pray to him, or to pray with him, to the God who sent him?
Did Jesus, peace be upon him, claim to be God?
Can the term "son of God" in English really present the meaning intended by the writers of the Bible?
Now let us compare with compassion and wisdom in our hearts. Which of the two concepts make the most sense between Islam and Chrisitanity when it comes to the subject of Jesus, peace be upon him?
Let us compare the two and see what our widsom and common sense tell us:
According to the teachings of Islam in the Quran and the words of the last prophet, Muhammad, peace be upon him, Jesus, the son of Mary, was predicted, he came to earth as a baby with a mother but no father, he did amazing miracles by the permission of Allah, including even bringing a dead man back to life; he did demonstrate for his followers the very best of behavior and obedience to the commandments of God. And according to the Bible he personally prayed and ask God Almighty to save him from the fate of going to the cross.
The Bible indicates Jesus' prayers at Gethsemene went unanswered, even though he stayed up through the night crying and asking God, "Let this cup pass from me, even so, Your will be done."
Yet, according to Quran, Almighty God did answer his prayers. He did not go to the cross, but rather the likeness of him was put on another person who did go to the cross and Almighty God, caused Jesus, peace be upon him, to be saved, protected and he is with God and will return in the Last Days to lead the true believers to victory over the evil ones.
Some have even speculated the one on the cross was the very one (Judas Thomas Iscariot) who sold out Jesus and his followers for thirty pieces of sliver.
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By - Yusuf Estes
Does the belief in Jesus, peace be upon him, as a 'son of God' really make sense?
What exactly does 'son of God' mean?
Can true salvation from God, be the punishment of someone else who is innocent from any of these crimes, to be punished as though he were guilty?
Does God need someone to suffer severe punishment, even though they are trying, day after day.
Did Jesus, peace be upon him, tell the people to take him as a god, or to worship him?
Let us find the answer to these and other important questions about the nature of Jesus of Christianity and Islam.
"Look to the Books"
To begin, let us do a sample comparison of the teachings of the Holy Books of Almighty God.
QURAN OF ISLAM
Surah 39:53 "Say: 'Oh my servants who have transgressed against their souls! Despair not of the Mercy of Allah: for Allah forgives all sins, for he is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful'."
Also: Surah 4:110
"If anyone does evil or wrongs his own soul but afterwards seeks Allah's forgiveness, he will find Allah Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."
Surah 2:21
"O you people! Adore your Guardian lord, who created you and those who came before you that you may become righteous."
Surah 58:22
"You will not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred. For such He has written faith in their hearts and strengthened them with a spirit from Himself. And He will admit them to Gardens beneath which rivers flow, to well therein (forever). Allah will be well pleased with them, and they with Him. They are the Party of Allah. Truly it is the Party of Allah that will achieve Felicity."
New Testament of BIBLE
Mark 6:10
"Why do you call me good?" answered Jesus, "No-one is good but God alone!"
Matthew 5:17
"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them, but rather to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until Heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of the pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until all things are accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven. But whoever keeps the commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven."
Matthew 7:21
"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the Will of the Father who is in Heaven. Many will say to me on the day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!"
Some leaders claimed, "This probably refers to the Mormons or somebody else. Don't worry about it."
Mark 1:35
Gabriel says Jesus will be "called the son of God" and he would be "given the Throne of David" to "rule the House of Jacob forever."
Luke 3:36
"Enos was the son of Seth, and Seth was the son of Adam, and Adam was the son of God."
Note: Adam, not Jesus, is listed in this genealogy of Jesus as the son of God, not Jesus.
Later on, the priests are asking Jesus, peace be upon him, if he claims to be the son of God. He tells them in fact, it is they who are making this claim.
"You say that I am."
Gospel of John contains the greatest number of references to "son of God."
Jesus, speaking in the third person talked about the "Son of God" in John 3:17
John 5:24
John 11:4
John 11:27
Martha, one of the followers, calls Jesus, peace be upon him, "The Messiah, the Son of God"
John 20:31 he is called "The Messiah, the Son of God."
But no verse makes the exact statement "Jesus is the Son of God and as such he is divine or God."
QURAN
4:171
"O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of Allah anything but the truth. Christ Jesus, the son of Mary was (no more than) a Messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His Messengers. Say not "Trinity": desist: It will be better for you: For Allah is One God: Glory be to Him: (Far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs."
Notice in the Bible, the frequent link between the position of Jesus, peace be upon him, as the Messiah and the 'son-ship.'
The term 'son of god' can not, in itself, be considered enough to declare anything unique about Jesus, peace be upon him, as this term is used for many people throughout the Old and the New Testament.
See above: Luke 3:38
Also, in Isaiah 62:8
refers to the entire house of Israel as being, 'Sons of God'.
Romans 8:14 Paul tells us about those who are led by the spirit:
"because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God."
The word "Messiah" is one that more particularly seems to represent the station of the person predicted to appear and lead the people to the victory over this world.
Oxford Companion of the Bible states Jews prior to Jesus, peace be upon him, hoped for a prophesied ruler, reigning with everlasting justice, peace and security for the "Sons of Israel."
BIBLE
Isaiah 11:1-5
"A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit. The spirit of the Lord will be on him - the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of power, the Spirit of Knowledge and of the fear of the Lord - and he will delight in the fear of the Lord."
Jeremiah 33:14-20
"The days are coming, declares the Lord, 'When I will fulfill the gracious promise I made to the house of Israel and to the house of Judah. In those days and at that time I will make a righteous Branch sprout from David's line; he will do what is just and right in the land. In those days Judah will be saved and Jerusalem will live in safety. This is the name by which it will be called: The Lord Our Righteousness." For this is what the Lord says: 'David will never fail to have a man to sit on the throne of the house of Israel, nor will the priests, who are Levites, ever fail to have a man to stand before me continually to offer burnt offerings, to burn grain offering and to present sacrifices."
Ezekiel 37:24-28:
"My servant David will be king over them, and they will all have one shepherd. They will follow my laws and be careful to keep my decrees. The will live in the land I gave to my servant Jacob, the land where your fathers lived. They and their children and their children's children will live there forever, and David my servant will be their prince forever. I will make a covenant of peace with them, it will be an everlasting covenant. I will establish them and increase their numbers and I will put my sanctuary among them forever. My dwelling place will be with them; I will be their God, and they will be my people. Then the nations will know that I the Lord make Israel holy, when my sanctuary is among them forever."
Genesis 49:10
"The scepter will not depart from Judah, nor the rules staff from between his feet, until he comes to whom it belongs and the obedience of the nations is his."
Numbers 24:17
"I see him, but not now; I behold him, but not near. A star will come out of Jacob; a scepter will rise out of Israel. He will crush the foreheads of Moab, the skulls of all the sons of Sheth. Edom will be conquered; Seir, his enemy, will conquered, but Israel will grow strong. A ruler will come out of Jacob and destroy the survivors of the city."
God Incarnate? NOT HERE
BIBLE
2 Samuel 7:12-15 Nathan the prophet (son of Solomon)
"The Lord declares to you that the Lord Himself will establish a house for you: When your days are over and you rest with your fathers, I will raise up your offspring to succeed you, who will come from your own body, and I will establish his kingdom. He is the one who will build a house for my Name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. I will be his father and he will be my son.
(New Testament book of Hebrews stops here)
Samuel continues:
"When he does wrong, I will punish him with the rod of men, with floggings inflicted by men. But my love will never be taken away from him, as I took it away from Saul, whom I removed from before you."
Hebrews 1:5
"You are my Son; today I have begotten you."
Does this support the case the doctrine that Jesus, peace be upon him, is the 'begotten Son of God?"
Old Testament BIBLE
Psalms 2:7 David is stating what God has proclaimed regarding David's relationship to God
"I will proclaim the decree of the Lord: he said to me, 'you are my Son; this day have I begotten you."
Note: the New International Version says the verse could be translated either as "become your Father" or as "begotten you" into English or Greek.
New Testament BIBLE
Mark 1:35
"He will be called the Son of God."
Note: This does not state he "is" the son, but rather, he will be "called" the son of God.
Or was he the "one anointed to preach Good News to the poor." prophesied by Isaiah, and the Messiah proclaimed by Gabriel, the followers of Jesus, peace be upon him, Jesus, himself and the remained of the New Testament, he evidently would not be God.
New Testament BIBLE
John 8:58
"I tell you the truth', Jesus answered, 'before Abraham was, I am!'"
"I am" is the term used to identify God to Moses, peace be upon him.
New Testament BIBLE
John 3:16
"For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten son, that whoever believed in him should not perish but have everlasting life."
This does not actually define Jesus, peace be upon him, as God, or as the Messiah or as a Prophet.
Note: This verse was actually modified by Jerome in the 4th century.
ARIUS (Early history of the Church) a popular leader from Alexandria, Egypt.
He argued, Jesus, peace be upon him, was created and not 'begotten.'
He was charged with heresy and his followers were horribly oppressed by the Church.
After the matter was 'decided' and 'confirmed' by the Council of Nicea in 325 A.D. and in an effort to consolidate both beliefs, Jerome altered the original version of the Gospel of John 3:16 by changing the word 'monogenes' (unique) and substituted the word 'ingenious'; meaning 'only begotten.'
What other 'interpretations' did the early Church Fathers invent to satisfy their claims of the divinity of Jesus, peace be upon him?
Good question.
New Testament BIBLE
John 10:38 "But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may learn and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father."
John 14:10 "Don't you know that I am in the Father and that the Father is in me? The words that I say to you are not my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me who is doing this work."
But further reading in the very same chapter:
John 14:20 "On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you."
So how does he live in his disciples and how do they live in him? And if so, are they also, sons of God or Gods?
Another good question.
1st John 2:5-6 (This is an epistle [letter] written by another "John," not John the Gospel er nor John the Baptist)
"But if anyone obeys his word, God's love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in Him. Whoever claims to live in Him must walk as Jesus did."
Note: This indicates, living 'in God' means, 'Obeying God's commandments and following the Way of Jesus, peace be upon him.'
Twice in the New Testament, Jesus, peace be upon him, tells his followers how to pray saying, "When you pray, say this…"
And the words are very clear, 'God's Will be done on earth as it is in Heaven."
BIBLE
John 17:22-23
"I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one; I in them and you in me. May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me."
The word used throughout chapter 10 and 17, for unity or one was the same, 'heis' meaning the number one. There is another word 'hen' which means a unity of essence. However, 'hen' is nowhere to be found in these chapters.
Note: Conclusion is this is a prayer from Jesus, peace be upon him, to God that all of his followers would have the same relationship that he (Jesus) had.
Understanding the word 'one' meanings understanding the way in which it is being used. For example a man and a woman become 'one' when they marry; someone might say, 'One hopes for success' or 'We are one in agreement.'
Jesus, peace be upon him, is supposed to have said, "If you have seen me, you have seen the Father." In the very part of the Bible we find the verse wherein Jesus, peace be upon him, tells his followers, if they accepted a little child, then they also accepted Jesus, peace be upon him. Naturally, he did not mean the child was God or that he was a child.
Christians are taught early in life, by doing good deeds and service for others, they are in fact allowing others to see Jesus in them.
Why do we hold so tight to doctrines, even after realizing the incorrectness and false teachings?
Yet another good question.
The Bible clearly teaches that Jesus, peace be upon him, is a man, born of a woman without any father, strengthened by a Spirit from God (Gabriel), sent by God to teach the Children of Israel the true meaning of belief and proper actions (following the commandments) that God would accept from them and as such, their 'road to salvation.'
One more time:
BIBLE
John 1:1
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God at the beginning."
Jesus, peace be upon him, was the very "Word of God."
QURAN
Surah 4:171
"O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of Allah anything but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) A Messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from Him; so believe in Allah and His Messengers. Say not 'trinity': desist.
It is difficult for us to admit that we have been deceived for so many years by some many people, some of them very near and dear to us. The truth is, 'Someone has been lying to us' - on purpose.
It is also difficult to consider the consequences of loosing faith in the doctrine of the Church, out of fear of loosing faith in God altogether.
But there is wonderful hope, Grace, Mercy and Salvation for those who come to the correct belief and obey the commandments.
Wisdom or Word?
Oxford Companion to the Bible
The words "wisdom" and "word" were synonymous (exactly the same words) in Jewish thought at the time of Jesus.
Old Testament BIBLE
Proverbs 8:22-30
"The lord brought me forth at the beginning of his work before his deeds of old; I was appointed from eternity, from the beginning before the world began. When there were no oceans, I was given birth, when there were no springs abounding with water; before the mountains were settled in place, before the hills, I was given birth, before he made the earth or its fields or any of the dust of the world. I was there when he set the heavens in place, when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep, when he established the clouds above and fixed securely the fountains of the deep, when he gave the sea its boundary so the waters would not overstep his command, and when he marked out the foundations of the earth. Then I was the craftsman at his side."
Proverbs 3:19
"By Wisdom the Lord laid the earth's foundations, by understanding he set the heavens in place; by his knowledge the deeps were divided, and the clouds let drop the dew."
APOCRYPHA (hidden books of the Bible)
Wisdom 1 and Wisdom II
Sirach (also called: "Ecclesiasticus") written by Jesus ben Sira, a devout Jew of Jerusalem, 200 years before Christ.
These texts were a part of the Bible until the time of the Calvinists and the Protestant Reformation (hence the word - protest).
Scrolls found at Wadi Qumran and Masada confirm these were always a part of the ancient version of the Bible, but obviously not something Protestants wanted anything to do with.
Wisdom states in Sirach 24:1-12
"Wisdom praises herself, and tells of her glory in the midst of her people. In the assembly of the Most High she opens her mouth, and in the presence of his hosts she tells of her glory: 'I came forth from the mouth of the Most High and covered the earth like a mist. I dwelt in the highest heavens, and my throne was in a pillar of a cloud. Alone I compassed the vault of heaven and traversed the depths of the abyss. Over waves of the sea, over all the earth, and over every people and nation I have held sway. Among all these I sought a resting place; in whose territory should I abide? Then the Creator of all things gave me a command, and my Creator chose the place for my tent. He said, 'Make your dwelling in Jacob, and in Israel, receive your inheritance.' Before the ages, in the beginning he created me, and for all the ages I shall not cease to be. In the holy tent I ministered before him, and so I was established in Zion. Thus in the beloved city he gave me a resting place, and in Jerusalem was my domain. I took root in an honored people, in the portion of the Lord his heritage.
Wisdom of Solomon 7:25-27
"For she is a breath of the power of God, and a pure emanation of the glory of the Almighty; therefore nothing evil gains entrance into her. For she is a reflection of eternal light, a spotless mirror of the working of God, and an image of His goodness. Although she is but one, she can do all things, and while remaining in herself, she renews all things; in every generation she passes into holy souls and makes them friends of God, and prophets."
Did the beginning of the Gospel of John indicate John believed the Spirit was sent by God to Jesus, peace be upon him, that it was the Spirit of Wisdom, Spirit of Prophecy, sent to all the prophets, with the same commandments and wisdom?
Could the Spirit of Wisdom be with God since creation? Or perhaps the Spirit was the 'Word of God' that was uttered or breathed by God in the Beginning and then continued along with God in the rest of Creation?
BIBLE APOCRAPHA
Wisdom of Solomon 7:22
"For wisdom, the Fashioner of all things, taught me."
Could the Spirit of Wisdom be the Holy Spirit that spoke to Mary about having her baby? And the same Holy Spirit that descending upon him at this baptism?
BIBLE
John 1:32
"Then John gave this testimony: 'I saw the Spirit come down from heaven as a dove and remain on him. I would not have known him, except that the one who sent me to baptize with water told me, 'The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is he who will baptize with the Holy Spirit'."
All of this confirms without doubt the writers of the Old Testament and the New Testament were definitely on the lookout for a "Messiah" or "chosen leader of the way to salvation in this life and the next life."
The word in Hebrew for the 'chosen one' or 'anointed one' or 'appointed one' is 'Messiah.'
The word in Koine Greek for 'Messiah' is 'Christos' (became 'Christ').
The word in Arabic for it is "Meshiha"
Did Jesus, peace be upon him, ask people to pray to him, or to pray with him, to the God who sent him?
Did Jesus, peace be upon him, claim to be God?
Can the term "son of God" in English really present the meaning intended by the writers of the Bible?
Now let us compare with compassion and wisdom in our hearts. Which of the two concepts make the most sense between Islam and Chrisitanity when it comes to the subject of Jesus, peace be upon him?
Let us compare the two and see what our widsom and common sense tell us:
According to the teachings of Islam in the Quran and the words of the last prophet, Muhammad, peace be upon him, Jesus, the son of Mary, was predicted, he came to earth as a baby with a mother but no father, he did amazing miracles by the permission of Allah, including even bringing a dead man back to life; he did demonstrate for his followers the very best of behavior and obedience to the commandments of God. And according to the Bible he personally prayed and ask God Almighty to save him from the fate of going to the cross.
The Bible indicates Jesus' prayers at Gethsemene went unanswered, even though he stayed up through the night crying and asking God, "Let this cup pass from me, even so, Your will be done."
Yet, according to Quran, Almighty God did answer his prayers. He did not go to the cross, but rather the likeness of him was put on another person who did go to the cross and Almighty God, caused Jesus, peace be upon him, to be saved, protected and he is with God and will return in the Last Days to lead the true believers to victory over the evil ones.
Some have even speculated the one on the cross was the very one (Judas Thomas Iscariot) who sold out Jesus and his followers for thirty pieces of sliver.
More - "Sons of God..." [click
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MY FAV. 50 QUOTES FROM 50
*"I Grew Up Around Some Niggas Dats Not My HomIes"
*"When I Die They'll Read This And Say A Genius Wrote It"
*"You Shouldnt Throw Stones..If U Live In A Glass House"
*"You Going Against Me Dawg U Makin' A Mistake"
*"I Got Pennies 4 My Thoughts..Now Im Rich"
*"I'm Da Diamond In Da Dirt Dat Aint Been Found"
*"Sunny Days Wouldn't B Special If It Wasnt 4 Rain"
*"Joy Wouldnt Feel So Good If It Wasnt 4 Pain"
*"Death Gotta B Easy..Cuz Life Is Hard"
*"Are You Illiterate Nigga You Cant Read Between Da Lines"
*"Now It's Clear That Im Here 4 A Real Reason"
*"If You Watch How I Move U Mistake Me 4 A Playa Or Pimp"
*"If Niggas Hate Den Let Em..And Watch Da Money Pile Up"
*"Go Against Me 4 Sho' U's A Gonna Nigga"
*"If U Love Me.Tell Me U Love Me.Dont Stare At Me Mane"
*"There's No Competition..It's Just Me"
*"And You Should Love It..Way More Dan You Hate"
*"You Fellin Brave Nigga..Go Head Get Gully"
*"I Done Made My Self Hot.So Aint ShYt U Can Tell Me"
*"I Aint Hurtin..Im Alright..Nigga Im Doing Good"
*"I Do What I Gotta Do..I Dont Care If I Get Caught"
*"If I Die 2day Im Happy How My Life Turned Out"
*"All Da Wrong I Done.Da Lord Still Keep On Blessing Me"
*"I Invented How 2 Teach Lesson 2 Slow Learners"
*"This Is God's Plan Homie Dis Aint Mines"
*"I Am What I Am..U Can Like It Or Love It"
*"You's A Pop Tart Sweet Heart U Soft N Da Middle"
*"Nigga's Lip Singing Da Lyrics Cuz Dey Wanna B Us"
*"I'm A Liar Mane..I Really Dont Care"
*"I Love U Like a Fat Kid Love Cake"
*"Haters Hate Dat Im Winnin..Man I Been Hot From Da Beginning"
*"Sum Say Im Paranoid..I Say Im Careful How I Choose My Friends"
*"Lord Grant Me The Serenity 2 Accept The Things I Cannot Change"
*"Cuz I Hear What Im Sayin I Know Im Killin Dis Shyt"
*"I Dont Smile Alot Cuz Aint Nothing Pretty"
*"I Got A Headful Of Evil Thoughts..Am I Satan"
*"I Might Smile And Say Whats Up..But I Dont FyKk Wit U Niggas"
*"We Aint Buddies..We Aint Partners..And We Dayum Sure Aint Friends"
*"I'm Serious Mane Im So Sincere"
*"Im Not Dat Genie In Da Bottle Im In A Bag"
*"What We Have Is More Sacred than A Vow Or A Ring"
*"I'll B Ur Incentive And Reason 4 U 2 Move Forward"
*"I Love You.Love Me Back.No One Said Loving Me Would B Easy"
*"Yo Friends Talk Bad About Me BYtch U Sit Der And Listen 2 Em'"
*"Last Year I Woke Up A Good Look..Dayum It Feels Good"
*"Dey Mistake My Confidence 4 Arrogance..Dey Hate On Da Kid."
*"I Took Quarter Water And Sold It In Bottles For 2 Bucks"
*"Im Stanky Rich..Ima Die Tryna Spend Dis ShyYtt"
*"I Was Young I Couldnt Do Good..Now I Cant Do Bad"
*"I Keep My Cirlce Nice And Small I Dont FuKc Wit These Clown Niggas"
*"I Grew Up Around Some Niggas Dats Not My HomIes"
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*"There's No Competition..It's Just Me"
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*"You Fellin Brave Nigga..Go Head Get Gully"
*"I Done Made My Self Hot.So Aint ShYt U Can Tell Me"
*"I Aint Hurtin..Im Alright..Nigga Im Doing Good"
*"I Do What I Gotta Do..I Dont Care If I Get Caught"
*"If I Die 2day Im Happy How My Life Turned Out"
*"All Da Wrong I Done.Da Lord Still Keep On Blessing Me"
*"I Invented How 2 Teach Lesson 2 Slow Learners"
*"This Is God's Plan Homie Dis Aint Mines"
*"I Am What I Am..U Can Like It Or Love It"
*"You's A Pop Tart Sweet Heart U Soft N Da Middle"
*"Nigga's Lip Singing Da Lyrics Cuz Dey Wanna B Us"
*"I'm A Liar Mane..I Really Dont Care"
*"I Love U Like a Fat Kid Love Cake"
*"Haters Hate Dat Im Winnin..Man I Been Hot From Da Beginning"
*"Sum Say Im Paranoid..I Say Im Careful How I Choose My Friends"
*"Lord Grant Me The Serenity 2 Accept The Things I Cannot Change"
*"Cuz I Hear What Im Sayin I Know Im Killin Dis Shyt"
*"I Dont Smile Alot Cuz Aint Nothing Pretty"
*"I Got A Headful Of Evil Thoughts..Am I Satan"
*"I Might Smile And Say Whats Up..But I Dont FyKk Wit U Niggas"
*"We Aint Buddies..We Aint Partners..And We Dayum Sure Aint Friends"
*"I'm Serious Mane Im So Sincere"
*"Im Not Dat Genie In Da Bottle Im In A Bag"
*"What We Have Is More Sacred than A Vow Or A Ring"
*"I'll B Ur Incentive And Reason 4 U 2 Move Forward"
*"I Love You.Love Me Back.No One Said Loving Me Would B Easy"
*"Yo Friends Talk Bad About Me BYtch U Sit Der And Listen 2 Em'"
*"Last Year I Woke Up A Good Look..Dayum It Feels Good"
*"Dey Mistake My Confidence 4 Arrogance..Dey Hate On Da Kid."
*"I Took Quarter Water And Sold It In Bottles For 2 Bucks"
*"Im Stanky Rich..Ima Die Tryna Spend Dis ShyYtt"
*"I Was Young I Couldnt Do Good..Now I Cant Do Bad"
*"I Keep My Cirlce Nice And Small I Dont FuKc Wit These Clown Niggas"
Monday, September 1, 2008
THE MEDIA STAY TALKING BAD ABOUT RAP/ HIP HOP MUSIC WHY?
THE MEDIA STAY TALKING BAD ABOUT RAP/ HIP HOP MUSIC WHY?
Posted by Prey Dogg on September 2, 2008 at 12:58am in News
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All across the glob if you ask about hip hop or rap they’ll say hell yeah we listen to that type of music.
Just look at all around you. It’s a piece of hip hop every where.
It’s not just rap it’s art. Hip Hop moves people. Communities was saved and rebuild because of rap and hip hop.
Just ask T.I, Master P and David Banner to name some that believes in given back to their community or as the streets would say hood.
Rap came a long way from story telling to mainstream. Yes there are people that wants to see an end to rap music and these are the same people that nine out of ten don’t listen to lyrics that come from positive MCs such as common or KRS-1 you can even go as far as to say Naz, Jay-Z, 50 Cent, Scarface and many others from all around the world. You see people would rather question the motives and criticize the artist, but are we listening to the lyrics or just pointing fingers? Hate comes in to play any time one doesn’t understand. It’s like I don’t know what you’re saying you can’t understand what I’m saying. Some people would smile and shake their heads others would screw up their face as to say what! Meaning beef is coming behind the what or do we have a problem?
Some people would rather place blame on hip hop for the way their children think or dress. Why is it that when there’s problems rap gets blamed? I work so I can’t monitor my child and what he listen to!, I’m watching my other children and I don’t have time to sit my twelve year old down and talk to them about right and wrong! But I know it’s because of hip hop that my child is doing bad in school.
2pac wrote a song about the meaning of the word bitches in hip hop, you would thing that they would have understood the reasons for bitch in hip hop. You have gangster rap, then you have gospel rap you don’t want to listen to one there’s always the other. Not all rap, hip hop music is bad, disrespectful, devilish, and if so where does the thoughts come from? Things that’s raped about either happened or it story telling, visions, dreams or reality just as movies, news, books, plays, conversation and more. Just think about all the other stuff that’s going on in the world that’s wrong and way that against rap, hip hop. I bet you can find many other problems on this planet to worry about then rap slash hip hop music. Wars, preacher sleeping with children, the government making laws to trap you and place you in jail and then they say the people voted in that law, getting off of welfare, crooked lawyers, crooked landlords, gun dealers who sell to little kids, it’s many other things to look at and place blame on when times get hard or things go wrong why hip hop?
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Permalink Reply by Prey Dogg 13 minutes ago
And this is why we have rap wars with the media.
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Permalink Reply by B-Simp AKA DooWopTheKid 3 minutes ago
the media hates on rap cause it is young black males making a substantial amount of money rappin about illegal/disrespectful shit that white media folk dont wanna hear.The media only focuses on the negative they dont wanna talk about a nigga being in the forbes top and charities and shit.They wanna talk about oh that nigga called a women a bitch.The games and movies are the same as rap with all the negative shit but more white people get money in that shit.Its sad that niggas is still hated on but thats life....combat hate by being great real niggas push weight and that doesnt nessecarilly mean drugs.
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good point think abougt who dominates those industries and you have the answer why if you know you know teach each one is to teach one if not youll learn the hard way.
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Posted by Prey Dogg on September 2, 2008 at 12:58am in News
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All across the glob if you ask about hip hop or rap they’ll say hell yeah we listen to that type of music.
Just look at all around you. It’s a piece of hip hop every where.
It’s not just rap it’s art. Hip Hop moves people. Communities was saved and rebuild because of rap and hip hop.
Just ask T.I, Master P and David Banner to name some that believes in given back to their community or as the streets would say hood.
Rap came a long way from story telling to mainstream. Yes there are people that wants to see an end to rap music and these are the same people that nine out of ten don’t listen to lyrics that come from positive MCs such as common or KRS-1 you can even go as far as to say Naz, Jay-Z, 50 Cent, Scarface and many others from all around the world. You see people would rather question the motives and criticize the artist, but are we listening to the lyrics or just pointing fingers? Hate comes in to play any time one doesn’t understand. It’s like I don’t know what you’re saying you can’t understand what I’m saying. Some people would smile and shake their heads others would screw up their face as to say what! Meaning beef is coming behind the what or do we have a problem?
Some people would rather place blame on hip hop for the way their children think or dress. Why is it that when there’s problems rap gets blamed? I work so I can’t monitor my child and what he listen to!, I’m watching my other children and I don’t have time to sit my twelve year old down and talk to them about right and wrong! But I know it’s because of hip hop that my child is doing bad in school.
2pac wrote a song about the meaning of the word bitches in hip hop, you would thing that they would have understood the reasons for bitch in hip hop. You have gangster rap, then you have gospel rap you don’t want to listen to one there’s always the other. Not all rap, hip hop music is bad, disrespectful, devilish, and if so where does the thoughts come from? Things that’s raped about either happened or it story telling, visions, dreams or reality just as movies, news, books, plays, conversation and more. Just think about all the other stuff that’s going on in the world that’s wrong and way that against rap, hip hop. I bet you can find many other problems on this planet to worry about then rap slash hip hop music. Wars, preacher sleeping with children, the government making laws to trap you and place you in jail and then they say the people voted in that law, getting off of welfare, crooked lawyers, crooked landlords, gun dealers who sell to little kids, it’s many other things to look at and place blame on when times get hard or things go wrong why hip hop?
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Permalink Reply by Prey Dogg 13 minutes ago
And this is why we have rap wars with the media.
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Permalink Reply by B-Simp AKA DooWopTheKid 3 minutes ago
the media hates on rap cause it is young black males making a substantial amount of money rappin about illegal/disrespectful shit that white media folk dont wanna hear.The media only focuses on the negative they dont wanna talk about a nigga being in the forbes top and charities and shit.They wanna talk about oh that nigga called a women a bitch.The games and movies are the same as rap with all the negative shit but more white people get money in that shit.Its sad that niggas is still hated on but thats life....combat hate by being great real niggas push weight and that doesnt nessecarilly mean drugs.
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good point think abougt who dominates those industries and you have the answer why if you know you know teach each one is to teach one if not youll learn the hard way.
http://thisis50.com/forum/topic/show?id=784568%3ATopic%3A6794196
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